This may seem like it has nothing to do with drumming...or your career...or your livelihood...or your future...
...and it's ok if you don't get it...it took me a LONG time to get it...
...but get it you must...cause if you don't you're probably already sunk as a striving creative entity with the need and drive to monetize your abilities for personal sustenance...
Some highlights that blew my mind...
-It is now as easy to create content as it is to consume it...that is the important part of what is happening. That is what people are referring to when they say "social media".
-If both the web and media are inherentyl social, and if business must have a presence online, then business must have a social element. To not have that is to forego both logic and opportunity.
-“It makes increasingly less sense to talk about a publishing industry, because the core problem publishing solves-the incredible difficulty, complexity, and expense of making something available to the public-has stopped being a problem." -Clay Shirky
...This has taken the previous model of content being scarce, media being expensive, and the attention of the audience being guaranteed- and flipped it.
"If I tell my Facebook friends about your brand, it is because I like my friends-not because I like your brand!" -Mike Arauz
The Three Musketeers rule:
All For One is the 20th century value creation. It is drive by the self-interest and excelled in the silos. One For All is how businesses thrive today. When they create value for themselves, theycreate value for an eco-system.
Freemium: Now=Free combined with Now=Paid…Build an audience with FREE, use it to develop a premium product for PAID.
If you can figure out how to utilize the above information, you're looking at a beautiful, rewarding, and influential career...
A small crowd was gathered at the downtown Nashvegas club 12th and Porter...they'd already seen countless bands over the past few days and were showing some signs of exhaustion...cue Nico Vega...
Lights are low...ambient guitars start to come through...Aja walks out in a long dress and barefooted...and for the next 45 minutes they have the attention of everyone in the room. I keep trying to figure out at what point did they have me hooked...Was it the chanting intro of "Million Years"....was it when Aja jumped down from the stage and bumped my shoulder, pushing me aside as she "visited" her crowd...or maybe it was when Dan stood up screaming and proceeded to punch his cymbals...
And then I think,"Who cares?"
Who cares at what point I was hooked...point is, they had me. By far the most enjoyable show I saw at NBN. From start to finish Nico Vega showed Nashville why they deserved the accolades they've received. On a sidenote...shame on Nashville, which is notorious for their lack luster live crowds, for having such a poor turnout for their first time in town. I was equally impressed with the intensity of their show despite not having a huge audience. Nothing was left to chance...they left it all on stage.
If you don't have Nico Vega's album, you need it...go here to download the tunes. They've been on "Last Call w/ Carson Daly" and earlier this year they had a song featured in the movie "The Collector". We need more female singers like Aja in the rock world...heck, we just plain need more great bands like Nico Vega!
What's your background with the drums?
I had some great teachers growing up. NY drummer Joe Bonadio was a big insperation and really challenged me. I also studied with Keith Copeland, a great jazz drummer, who opened up a lotta doors. More than anything though, it's about putting in the time and doing the work. Also, listening to music and drummers who inspire you. I was lucky to be surrounded by some great musicians and other great drummers growing up. I learned alot from the guys I grew up with. It got competitive sometimes... In a good way
Do you have a consistent practice time outside of rehearsals?
I used to. Less regimented now. These days I spend most of my time just playing and touring. I used to split my practice time between drumset and reading on a practice pad. On the set, I spent a lot of time with Gary Chesters book "New Breed". Great for independance. For the hands I have about 40 snare drum books that I'd go through. I learned a lot about feel and texture from playing with James Brown and alot of jazz records.
Do you have a day job?
I have a friend who says make money when you can, not when you have to. I try to work as much as possible, but am just not home very often these days. There's a company called The Real Rock and Roll Movers in LA. The owner is a drummer and employs only musicians. Pretty rad. I'll usually give him a call when I'm home and have down time.
When you're on the road, what do you travel in?
We just bought a van. Still working on a name though. It's silver in case you have ideas.
Best part about being on tour?
Playing a show every night.
Worst part of being on tour?
Food. It's a real callenge to not eat crap all the time.
What sets your live show apart from others?
One of my favorite words in music is conviction and i've never been drawn to any artist who doesn't live or die with every note. I would say that we leave it all on the stage when we play, and hopefully the listener walks away having felt or released something as a result.
With the major labels struggling, do you feel it's more important for a band to focus on getting signed or focus on getting a significant buzz within a given group of people?
I think you should never focus on an outcome like getting signed. It really means nothing anyway these days. I know alot of other signed bands who have nothing going on. Make good music you believe in and people will react. You have no control over anything beyond that.
How much does chance play a part in the success of your band and how much of the success comes from sheer blood, sweat, and tears?
I would say we had to work for and earn everything that has come our way. There is chance maybe in the circumstances of 3 random people connecting and creating something so special... The chemistry feels so magical. But we put in the time as a band. Creating the music is the only part that has come easy.
Quote that you live by?
"he that's not busy being born is busy dying" Bob Dylan
Top photo by Zoran Orlic
And there you have it, the Drummers of Next Big Nashville...I really do hope you've enjoyed these interviews. And again, I want to say a huge "Thank You" to all of the great players and bands that took the time to share their experiences, passions, and music with us...
I first saw the Worsties at the Red Gorilla Festival (happens at the same time SXSW does in Austin, TX). I was also playing Red Gorilla with Meshach Jackson and we had decided to go out that night after we played and catch some bands. We happened to walk into a small venue and lo and behold, some fellow Nashvillians were tearing the stage up...I stayed for the whole show, which says alot considering what all else was going on that evening. The energy and pace of the show was great. I immediately talked to them after the set and said we needed to set a show up with them and my band, Lovers and Liars...
Fast foward a few months and we were both on the same bill with Marcy's Playground in Clarksville, TN. Again, they had a stellar performance. And to boot, these are some of the nicest guys (and gal) that you'd ever want to meet. You can grab their new cd "Dude, Dude, Dude, Totally!" here.
How long have The Worsties been around, how long have you been with them, and how did you get the gig?
The Worsties have been a working band for about 4 years now. I joined the band around 2 years ago. I'm the first permanent drummer for the band. Before we hooked up, they used a drum machine and had more of an electronic vibe. In the process of becoming more of a rock band, they had a few hired guns and friends filling in. Then we met and we're a family now.
What's your background with the drums?
My father was a very talented and accomplished drummer. At a very young age, he showed me how to hold the sticks and turned me on to some great music... mostly soul music from the 60's, which I still love! We've talked a lot about the philosophy of drumming, and I've heard lots of great stories about his drumming career. I consider those things to be my most valuable lessons. I took proper piano lessons for several years when I was younger, but I'm a mostly self-taught drummer. Concerning the technical aspects of drumming, I've learned that through my own playing experience, studying other drummers, reading every piece of drumming literature I can get my hands on, and listening to all kinds of music.
I can play both. It really just depends on the situation, style, or feeling of the music. I think it's important for drummers to understand both grips and learn both. With the Worsties, I always play matched grip to get more power and projection. It is also useful because I do a lot of big double crashes in most of our songs and it helps me reach the cymbals.
I have so many, because I love so many styles of music... but one that I never tire of is The Descendents. As a kid, they were one of the first rock bands I was ever into. So their music is nostalgic to me and always a fun listen.
Do you have a consistent practice time outside of rehearsals?
I practice every day no matter what... I can't sleep if I don't play! I usually practice jazz coordination exercises from all of the classic workbooks that my heros learned from. I am particularly fond of "Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer" by Jim Chapin... I've spent so much time with that book that I dream about it sometimes! Also, "Master Studies" by Joe Morello, and "The New Breed" by Gary Chester. When I feel like I've hit a wall, I improvise on the drumset, play along with cds, or shed rudiments on the pad. When I'm not playing, I am always listening to music and I read Modern Drummer Magazine religiously.
Do you have any other projects that you're involved with at this time?
I'm a full-time Worstie! But I love jamming and recording with my friends whenever possible.
I do have a day job. I enjoy working and I love to stay busy. But in some ways it's just a means to an end. The advantage is that it allows me to pursue music simply because it allows me to pay bills, eat, and have a place to sleep. The main disadvantage would be that it takes time away from doing what I'm truly passionate about, which is making music.
Is your band signed?
We are not signed, though we have had quite a bit of interest from labels, both major and indie. For the Worsties, the advantage of being an unsigned band is being able to do things on our own terms, develop our own style, release songs when and how we want to, play when and where we want to, etc. The disadvantage is having to do all to footwork ourselves -which isn't easy- but it's a job we all love to do. This is our baby, and it's going to take a very special parent to come along for us to consider giving it up for adoption! When the right opportunity comes along, we will take it. I see that in our future.
When you're on the road, what do you travel in?
Jairo usually takes his private jet. I prefer to drive, though. For long trips, we usually rent a big van. For closer regional shows, we take one or two of our own cars. Whatevs. As long as we all get there!
Best part about being on tour?
Making music together, partying, making new friends, seeing great bands, and playing Mad Libs in the van! Jairo, Jesse, and Anna are some of my best friends, and a lot of that is due to the time we've spent together on the road.
Worst part about being on tour?
There is no worst part! I even love the annoying parts.
What is your band doing to think outside of the box when it comes to attracting new fans?
We are fairly traditional when it comes to the way the band makes new fans. We take full advantage of all internet resources, of course (MySpace, FaceBook, iTunes, etc.). But mostly, we just try to stay productive, write new songs, and when we play live we PLAY OUR A%@$# OFF!!! Most of our fans have been made at our live shows. It may not be "outside the box", but that's how we do it. Like they say... the proof is in the pudding!
What sets your live show apart from others?
The only way I can describe it is that it is a party on the stage. We always strive to put on the most high-energy show we possibly can. It can be wild and unpredictable at times. But we have a great time performing and we want the crowd to have a great time, too. When you go to a Worsties show... it is really a SHOW. See us live and there will be dancing and debauchery... this is a given.
What's the biggest challenge you face as a band?
The most challenging thing for us now is that we all have day jobs... bummer.
With the major labels struggling, do you feel it's more important for a band to focus on getting signed or focus on getting a significant buzz within a given group of people?
To me, there's really no difference. It's all about what you do with it once you get there. Keep playing and play the best you can. As long as you give it your all and stay true to yourself, then you will be able to enjoy any successes that may come your way. If you really have what it takes, you will be noticed.
Future Plans?
My future plans are to create as much music as possible, have fun adventures, and always work toward mastering my instrument. Music is a lifelong pursuit for me. I will go wherever it takes me.
How much does chance play a part in the success of your band and how much of the success comes from sheer blood, sweat, and tears?
I often compare "making it in the music biz" to winning the lottery. I do believe a lot of it is right place, right time. However, I think you can also put yourself in the right place at the right time. We do live in Music City, after all. I believe the blood, sweat, and tears are necessary to develop a healthy perspective, but sadly not always required in the world of pop. Those who have gotten lucky without earning it usually sparkle and fade. The Worsties are hands down the hardest working band I've ever met, so we're here to stay.
If you had a fifteen year old sitting in front of you and could tell him/her anything about the music business, being in a band, or drumming, what would it be?
LEARN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE DRUMSET, LISTEN TO THE MASTERS. STUDY HARD. STAY LOOSE. KEEP AN OPEN MIND. and of course... PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!
To New York we go...lovely electronic band that goes by the name of Bear in Heaven...You can grab their CD here...
How long has the band been around, how long have you been with them, and how did you get the gig?
We've been playing together for six years now. Adam and I went to school together and he was playing with these guys who needed a drummer. Bingo.
What's your background with the drums?
I was lucky enough to have parents who let me take up the drums and noisy up the house from my early teens. I did all of the school band stuff from middleschool through highschool. Marching band was particularly helpful and formed my ideas about rhythm in a substantial way.
Tough. I really like Jaki Liebezeit. A lot. But there are too many others that I love equally or almost equally to really narrow it down to just him.
Favorite band?
Nope
Do you have a consistent practice time outside of rehearsals?
I don't. My good drummer friend Dan Menke is always telling me about his practice routines and it makes me feel lazy. I gotta get on it.
Do you have any other projects that you're involved with at this time?
I have a metal band called Dark Vibe. It's new and unrecorded at the time but keep an eye out for us up in New York. Also I play sometimes with Helado Negro, an amazingly excellent group.
Do you have any endorsements?
No endorsements yet, but that's only because I'm holding out for a Spizzichino cymbal deal.
Do you have a day job?
Bartending pays my bills. It's a pretty decent way to make money. At least in New York, the land of good tippers. It also supplies me with plenty of free beer to fuel my creativity, and plenty of flexibility in my schedule to go on tour when I need to. The downside is that it makes me a total Brooklyn stereotype.
Is your band/artist signed?
I've never been signed to a major record label but our indie label is run by two great friends, Adam and Sara Heathcott, who are totally major dudes. Does that count? I think so. They have great aesthetic vision and work their asses off for us very day.
What is your band doing to think outside of the box when it comes to attracting new fans?
We've got a kinda sweet tour blog going right now at http://www.bearinheaven.tumblr.com/. Also, Sara sent us a bunch of cool stuff for our merch. table., I think that's made a big difference in our sales on the road. Gotta get that diesel.
What sets your live show apart from others?
Mustaches.
What's the biggest challenge you face as a band?
Just getting heard, really. It seems like if you're able to get a little attention from a big blog or other print source then it can all sort of start to snowball, but until that happens you're just playing for your friends. Sometimes for years. We've been playing for ours for almost 6 now.
With the major labels struggling, do you feel it's more important for a band to focus on getting signed or focus on getting a significant buzz within a given group of people?
Hard to say. I think there are still bands being built by major labels and they seem to start off huge before anyone's even heard them. I guess if you're in a band like that and there's a hundred grand going into a p.r. machine to hype you up before your record even drops then you don't need to worry about building buzz. Most of us though benefit more from the buzz than the labels nowadays though.
How much does chance play a part in the success of your band and how much of the success comes from sheer blood, sweat, and tears?
You know that Blood Sweat and Tears song Spinning Wheel? I love that song. Back to your question though, I think working your a$* off is a necessary prerequisite, chance just dictates how difficult the rest will be.
If you had a fifteen year old sitting in front of you and could tell him/her anything about the music business, being in a band, or drumming, what would it be?
"Chance is that fleeting friend, who sits in the back of your show and leaves before you get the chance to talk to them. You have to have a song/story that draws them to the front of the crowd, and then rapidly grab them, and take your opportunity while you can, cause everybody wants what you got. Until then, it's all blood, sweat, and tears! Every night! My dad continues to tell me, son "half the pay is the play". And so it is. When your done at the end of a show, there is this glow that is inexplainable. You feel invincible, given you played a good show. It really just magnifies your feelings. Good=Excellent Bad=Horrible" -Logan Linning
As I was editing this interview, this quote really grabbed my attention. In that short paragraph Logan explains the pains of music as well as the exhiliration of why we do what we do. And while we're on quotes...I was going to write up a small intro for this, but i think this BBC review by Michael Quinn says it all...especially about their new release...
"Embracing old and new influences – from Dylan and late, Lennon-led Beatles to Pixies and Arcade Fire, with The Wolf conjuring up the sort of combustible commotion you might expect from The Raconteurs – The Young Republic’s subtle borrowings and hidden homages play out against a larger, intricately designed canvas that makes significant claims for a band whose time has come."
How long has the band been around, how long have you been with them, and how did you get the gig?
The band has been around for about 5 years. They met at school and continued on after finishing up. Once graduated, they moved here to Nashville, about the same time that I did. Fast forward about 8 months....I was in a lull as far as bands go and I needed more involvement, so I checked into Craigslist. That is where I found the posting for "Drummer Needed". The band just had a split with their previous drummer, and I happened to answer the call. After the initial audition, then 2 more call backs, they told me they wanted me to be their drummer. That was 1 year ago, around this time.
What's your background with the drums?
I grew up performing music. At the 4th grade, my parents bought me a snare drum and got me involved in band. I gradually progressed from the snare to the set, then singing while playing, then Jazz band in High School. At this time I was leading the percussion class at my High School. I eventually got a scholarship for Jazz Drumming, and continued on to college. I have taken lessons on and off, studying under Charlie Adams, drummer for Yanni, just to name one teacher. However, it was mainly school and self teaching that I have learned a majority of what I do. To truly listen to the music is such a great teacher!
I have a hybrid way of drumming. A majority of what i do is with matched grip. When I play jazz, or with brushes, I play a traditional style, but with my snare hand palm face down. It gives me the feeling of matched grip but has more of the subleties of traditional grip. I got this idea from the book "Brushworks" by: Clayton Cameron, whom many claim is the brush-work king. His book is amazing, and I would highly recommend it for anyone who wants to expand into the intricate field of brushwork.
Favorite drummer?
Thats a hard one to classify. For classic prog-rock, it is hands down, Neil Peart, of Rush. For pop music, I would have to go with Carter Beauford, of Dave Matthews Band. And for new prog-rock, I am really into Gavin Harrison, of Porcupine Tree. Of course, Buddy Rich is on top. Man, the more I watch live footage of him, the more he seems out of this world. That man was amazing!
Favorite band?
I am a rocker at heart.. Got to say Led Zepplin and The Doors. I spent more time listening to these two groups in my life than any other bands. The Zep, for all-out drumming, and the Doors, for a more relaxed, jazzy style feel.
Do you have a consistent practice time outside of rehearsals and if so what do you work on, how long, etc?
I must admit, I am bad at this. I go in spurts. I will do good for a few weeks, then totally not practice at all. The band practices 5 days a week, for 2 hours a day. After that much, it gets a bit difficult to put in another hour a day, plus work a job and have a life outside of music, and a wife. I juggle the best I can, but, sometimes I gotta do what makes my life easier, which is, spending time with my wife.
Do you have any other projects that you're involved with at this time?
I do occasionally play with other acts.
They are mainly country acts, but nothing steady. Just this band
Any endorsements?
No, this is an area that I am just beginning to explore. I hope to be able to at least reduce the overall cost of this hobby, until it brings in a good income!! Ha Ha!!
Do you have a day job?
Since moving here to Nashville, I have been serving tables. Previously, I was a real estate agent, back in Idaho. I have been dabbling in Real Estate here also, but am not as dedicated to it here as I was there. Both of these jobs gave me the flexibility to do what I needed to do for music. That is why I have stayed with these fields of work. I will say, I do see myself sticking with Real Estate during my down times of music. It is just something that I love to study and be involved in. The disadvantage of these is that, one: serving is done primarily in the evening, which is when you make the most money. Unfortunatly, music is played primarily in the evenings. Pick one or the other. And Real Estate, this is a lot longer process, like 2-4 months, just to get a buyer into a house. That is a lot of time, especially if you are a touring band. Some things just don't get done very well on the road, like closing a sale of a home. Bad Idea!!!!!
Tell me about your label...
Yes, the band is signed to an indie label out of London, called End of the Road Records. This label is fairly new. After doing a few festivals, the people that put on the festivals decided to start a label. The people there are good people, who are trying to help us in any way possible. It seems that the majority of the bands fans are in the UK, which is an issue, since we are here in the US. The Label only wants to deal with people there, and promote the band there. We are over here and want to tour and promote over here. Anytime the label wants us to do a mini-tour, they need to spend a fortune to get us over there. My opinion, if you have a choice, stick with a local label. Fewer headaches, plus they will be better connected to help promote your band.
Sitting in a tour van for hours on end, just to get to a gig and end up waiting..and waiting...and waiting...for the sound guy to get there for sound check, just so he can blow right through it and say....."sounds good. Next!"
What is your band doing to think outside of the box when it comes to attracting new fans?
Good Question! Playing great music, with a solid foundation and understanding of how to play the music. Apart from having a classically trained violinist, we really try to play what the music dictates, which is rare in these days.
What sets your live show apart from others?
The fact that we can open it up and get loud, then bring the levels down and sweep out a delicate jazz tune. We have loud guitars and rockin drums, then switch to a slide guitar and brushes. We are very versitile.
What's the biggest challenge you face as a band?
I feel our biggest challenge is getting the younger audience to appreciate the musicianship that this band has to offer. Just because we don't blast the eardrums with rowdy guitars and loud drums, doesn't mean we can't play good music. Once you get past all the noise, only then can you begin to understand what music is all about.
With the major labels struggling, do you feel it's more important for a band to focus on getting signed or focus on getting a significant buzz within a given group of people?
The buzz is definitly the focus. Now, finding that given group of people is a whole new challenge. As major labels fall, that gives the determined musicians an upper hand on controlling there own career, for once.
Future plans in music?
Future plans in music? To play as much as possible, and make sure that no matter what happens, I give it my best..every day.
How much does chance play a part in the success of your band and how much of the success comes from sheer blood, sweat, and tears?
Chance is that fleeting friend, who sits in the back of your show and leaves before you get the chance to talk to them. You have to have a song/story that draws them to the front of the crowd, and then rapidly grab them, and take your opportunity while you can, cause everybody wants what you got. Until then, it's all blood, sweat, and tears! Every night! My dad continues to tell me, son "half the pay is the play". And so it is. When your done at the end of a show, there is this glow that is inexplainable. You feel invincible, given you played a good show. It really just magnifies your feelings. Good=Excellent Bad=Horrible
If you had a fifteen year old sitting in front of you and could tell him/her anything about the music business, being in a band, or drumming, what would it be?
Get a good education, so that you can afford to pay for your hobby, because, it may take you years until your hobby pays anything, if ever!
Quote that you live by?
"Every great accomplisment started, first, with a thought, then by action. Don't be afraid to take that big step, for fortune favors the bold!"
If you've been in Nashville more than a month and have even glanced at the local rock scene, you've caught some of the buzz for Autovaughn. They're recognized for their tenaciousness, tireless work ethic, and...well...their music, as you'd expect. They've been around quite a while, stuck it out through a few label hits and misses, and have come out the other side determined to do it their way. I was able to catch up with Andy through the miracle of e-mail (it's this new thing...seems to be catchin' on...you might want to check it out...Along with the Internet, check that out out too cause I think it's gonna be big in a few years...).
How long has the band been around, how long have you been with them, and how did you get the gig?
Our lead singer, Darren Edwards and I moved to Nashville via Indiana and started AutoVaughn about 5 years ago after a band we were in decided to call it quits.
What's your background with the drums?
I began playing on buckets with pencils when I was really young along with some Beatles tapes I had...I believe I got my first set at 10 and learned by listening to records and many nights of turning on the radio and just playing along. I joined the school band in 7th grade. Played in Jazz Band, Marching Band, and Concert Band until I graduated High School. Started playing in Rock bands at 15. I went on to study music at Anderson University with Indiana Session great Dane Clark.
Do you have a consistent practice time outside of rehearsals?
I try to get in and play for at least a couple hours a day with some headphones and my i-tunes library. It's been hard to practice sitting in the studio all day making a record for the last couple of months. I'm got some work to do to get back into shape before we tour again!
Nope...I'm broke and couch surfing while we make this record...Sometimes you have to make some pretty big sacrifices to make dreams happen. Anyone need their yard mowed this weekend?
Are ya'll signed to a label?
No...we have done the dance with several labels through the years...none of the deals worked out, thank goodness. We have full creative control, own everything and it is nice not to have a 500,000 dollar debt to pay off. Like I said before though...it is hard to make any money sitting in the studio.
When you're on the road what do you travel in?
We have a 1995 Ford Econoline conversion van named Carla...she runs like a champ at 190,000 miles...even pulling a trailer
Best part about being on tour?
Seeing the world.
Worst part about being on tour?
I miss my own bed after a couple months.
What is your band doing to think outside of the box when it comes to attracting new fans?
Videos videos....we are always putting up behind the scenes vids of what we do in the studio, on the road, in the bathroom etc.
What's the biggest challenge you face as a band?
Releasing an independent record amongst the sea of other independent records...It has to be great to stand out.
With the major labels struggling, do you feel it's more important for a band to focus on getting signed or focus on getting a significant buzz within a given group of people?
We have given up on major labels unless we see a REALLY good deal...with all of the ways a band can promote their own music online it's not worth taking the risk of your record getting shelved.
Give a brief summary of your future plans in music...
We are releasing a song a week for the next four weeks on Fender.com leading up the the release of our new album "Rise"...then back on the road.
How much does chance play a part in the success of your band and how much of the success comes from sheer blood, sweat, and tears?
You need both luck and work ethic. I've seen some hard working, great bands never get a break.
If you had a fifteen year old sitting in front of you and could tell him/her anything about the music business, being in a band, or drumming, what would it be?
Great melodies, haunting harmonies, lush chords...meet the Modern Skirts out of Athens, GA. This was one of the shows I really regretted missing at NBN...I'm sure it was great. They're completely song oriented and as he points out, driven to stay relevant in this ever changing musical landscape...
modern skirts has been together for about five years now. we have always kept the same lineup, so i have always been the drummer. the other guys go all over the place on stage swapping instruments and microphones. i pretty much stick to the kit.
Are you self taught?
Yea, I taught myself the drums. i grew up deep in the country in middle georgia. my dad had an old drum set that was in storage. it was this very sparkly blue japanese knockoff of maybe an old ludwig kit. there were a couple of really old cymbals too. i didn't have anyone to teach me, so i set them up and started doing what felt right to me. then i basically started mimicking the sounds that i would hear on the albums i was listening to. that was an exciting time because i was completely discovering things on my own. i would play and experiment for hours at a time.
you'll learn from this interview that i don't know much at all about technical issues when it comes to drums. i'm assuming traditional style is the one that looks like you're holding chopsticks. i don't play that way, but i've tried because it looks effortless. i think i play too hard for that. i grip tight. too tight. i'm still learning how you're "supposed to play."
Favorite drummer?
i don't really have a favorite drummer. there are people that when you see them you say, "oh my god. that's nuts!" that's always cool when you see or hear that, when you're really impressed by something. my favorite drummers would be the ones that stay in the pocket and are very thoughtful about what the overall song needs. it takes more than shear power and gimmicks to impress me. i am more a fan of seeing how a song takes shape than watching the drummer.
Do you have a day job? If so, what is it and what do you feel the advantages/disadvantages are in keeping a full time job while pursuing a career in music?
when we're not touring i try and fill my time up with jobs and projects as much as i can. something that's taking up a lot of time back in athens is delivering flowers. it's a fun and interesting job because you see so many sides of life door to door every day. you can go from a sorority house to a nursing home. you give flowers to a new mother at the hospital and then put flowers on a casket at a funeral home. we all have to have part time jobs with cool bosses because we have such a strange schedule to adhere to. flower delivery happens to be the job at the moment that allows me to take off work whenever i need to.
What do you travel in?
we travel in a van. we currently have two vans. we keep one around in case the other one breaks down. actually, now one of them is completely out of order and the other one will soon die. we should do something about that.
Best and worst part of being on tour?
the best part of being on tour is all the places that you get to see and experience. the bands and fans and people that you meet are mostly all incredibly interesting. we've made so many great friends and had so many good times that i can't imagine my life without these experiences.
you also rarely get good sleep or time to shower or good food. a lot of times we are rushing from one place to the next. we end up being on such a tight schedule that it's hard to enjoy certain things. it does get busy and hectic but there are always those times that make up for it. those times usually happen around 4 am though.
What sets your live show apart from others?
our live shows have become much more frenetic and energetic. there is this sense now that it's now or never on stage. we play off of each other's energy on stage as well as the people watching the show. it's an all over emotional experience we hope for everybody. we love when the fans go nuts. sometimes people end up on stage with us with tambourines or other instruments. that's always great when that happens. we thrive on that live unexpected energy. hopefully the energy just keeps getting more and more out of control until it all implodes on everybody all at once, and we are incapable of doing anything about it.
What's the biggest challenge you face as a band?
the music industry has changed so much. nothing really operates at all the same way as it has through the years. it is an exciting but also kind of scary time in this business. the key is to use what you have and to use it wisely. there are so many ways to get your music out these days. there are so many different ways to be creative and artistic. it is so easy for anyone to be heard these days whether it's quality or not. hopefully fans of true art and music can still find something of substance through all of this information. it's our job as artists to give people that, and to give it to them in an interesting way that competes with all the crap out there. these days it's not enough just to get signed. sometimes it's not even worth it to be signed. the key is to stay relevant and interesting in this business.
I can't tell you how pumped I am from the response I've had with these interviews. By the end of this whole interview installment, I'm hoping to present a realistic and well rounded view of what it's like to be in a band at this point in time...indie, signed, or just part of a backing band for an artist.
First up is Aaron Distler from the Nashville based band Heypenny. If you're into robots, the 80's, Devo, or just good bands, Heypenny's got it. These guys are constantly not only trying to spit out great music..."Cop Car" is a must listen...
...but they're always trying to figure out how to involve the fans in what's going on...which is the key to any indie band having success these days...or kick up their live show...
How long Heypenny been around, how long have you been with them, and how did you get the gig?
Heypenny's been around for a couple of years. The debut album, Use These Spoons was more or less a "bedroom" recording by our singer and main songwriter, Ben Elkins. He recorded it around Chattanooga a few years ago in people's homes, churches, etc. It started out as one thing then became something entirely different. Thus, Heypenny was born. He ended up moving to Nashville, recruiting Kevin Bevil on guitar and DJ Murphy on bass and in the past couple of years, they've had more drummers than Spinal Tap. I've been with them for just over a year now. As far as getting the gig, Jeremy Ferguson over at Battletapes was doing a few demos with them and he'd heard they needed a drummer and they were headed over to the UK, so I jumped on it only to find that they'd already found someone. Fortunately for me though, drummer extraordinaire, Dan Burns was too wrapped up with his own project, The Biv, he couldn't commit to it full time, so I went back in and begged a second time around, which leads me to the present and I couldn't be happier.
What's your background with the drums?
I would say that I'm more or less self taught, with the exception of high school marching band where I had some pretty intensive workshops. I never really took any private lessons. I'd found that I (well, my Mom) was mostly paying someone money for me to listen to them "show me their chops" for 30 minutes. If credit were to be given, I would say that a jazz instructor I had in middle school really shaped my playing more than anything. His name is Mark Eifler. He introduced me to Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Louis Bellson--all those guys. He told me about records like Buddy Rich's Roar of '74 and said, "go home and learn this song!" Being in sixth grade and trying to pin down the drums on "Nutville" was crazy, but he was so encouraging and excited. He's the guy responsible for all those hours logged just playing in my basement and having a good time. That's how I learned to play the drums.
Traditional or Matched grip?
Traditional.
Favorite drummer?
Glenn Kotche, for sure! We have a mutual friend who gave me his contact info a few years ago. We'd been emailing each other back and forth for years now about my heading up to Chicago to take lessons. I would email him and then 3 months later, I'd get a response saying that he had a day or two available, but I could never make it up there. Then he would disappear for another year, out on the road touring with Wilco, by himself, or one of their many side projects.
I had the opportunity to finally meet him when Heypenny went to Bonnaroo. I had a friend working in the mobile studio and he told me I could come and sit in on the session. Unfortunately, there was lots of press and the writer from Mix Magazine definitely earns a spot over a lowly fanboy, so I was forced outside. Luckily enough though, Glenn was out there and we finally had a chance to meet. He actually remembered me, which was crazy. He introduced me to his wife and daughter and we talked a little bit about what's been going on with Heypenny. I love how he thinks outside of the box in his approach to the drums. I told him how I've added this crazy bike rim/ride cymbal kind of thing and a beer keg to my set up. People always look at me crazy when I say it, but they understand when they hear it. It's basically a Zildjian Swish Knocker upside down, with a bike rim and a UFIP splash cymbal on top of that, mounted to a boom stand. But yeah, he was one of the kindest people, so down to earth and it really meant a lot that he would take the time to chat. I think I'm still glowing a bit from that encounter.
Favorite band?
Awww man, that's so tough! I'd say right now, I'm really, really enjoying Dirty Projectors. But I listen to so much music. I'm like a musical cookie monster, devouring something and jumping onto something else within minutes. I love Phoenix's record and Bon Iver. He actually just released a side project called "Volcano Choir" and the song "Islands, IS" is amazing.
Do you have a consistent practice time outside of rehearsals?
I haven't practiced on my own in years. There was about a year and a half back when I lived in Evansville, IN where I didn't even play drums. It was really one of the darkest periods of my life, artistically speaking. Talk about depression! As for now, I just don't have the space or time, really. I get a couple of hours a week with Heypenny and between that and shows, it's usually good enough. Suffice to say, if I weren't so lazy when it comes to hauling my gear around/setting up/breaking down, or I could afford a 2nd kit, you'd better believe I'd be playing all the time.
Do you have any other projects that you're involved with at this time?
I just finished recording an album with Brad Jones and Robin Eaton over at Alex the Great. It's for a girl named Sage. It was a lot of fun having the chance to work with those guys. I've been a fan of Brad's work for years now with all the Josh Rouse records and Robin's work with the Spinto Band! I can't rattle off enough superlatives for those guys. Not once was I intimidated, or felt overwhelmed. They knew exactly what they wanted, what I could accomplish and how to tell me in so many words. It was really pleasant and I hope I get another opportunity to work with them again.
Other than that, I still play with the band I moved here with, Duraluxe, though we don't really get to play out all that often.
Do you have any endorsements?
I recently was picked up a C & C Custom Drums endorsement, but even with the discount, I can't afford it. As soon as I sell some plasma or a kidney, I'll snatch it up. Granted, I went kind of crazy. I want a 14 x 26 kick, 16 x 18 kick, 8 x 12 rack and 16 x 16 floor, all in Keller Vintage Mahogany shells with wood hoops on all the drums. They're going to do a three fat stripes in white, silver and champagne sparkles.
Do you have a day job? What do you feel the advantages/disadvantages are in keeping a full time job while pursuing a career in music?
Yeah, I work at a modern furniture store on Belmont called Nouveau Classics. I basically assemble and deliver furniture to the stars/movers-and-shakers in town. The disadvantage is that you've gotta work to make money and more often than not, you're not making any money on the road. Plus, it's a job, so people depend on you being there.
Are you signed?
We're currently unsigned.
What do ya'll travel in?
We actually tour in DJ's Subaru Outback! We were using a van, but it caught on fire in the interstate in Indiana. That was pretty insane. So, yeah, we squeeze everything and the 4 of us into his little wagon. More often than not, we just borrow drums from whomever we're playing with. It was funny -- the last time we played with our friends in Stephanie's ID, they made a joke about how we're the only band they know who never has drums at their shows, but we always make sure to show up with our TV's. I haven't run into any problems yet, but worst case scenario is that I have to use a suitcase for a kick drum, but hey, that sounds fun to me!
Best part about being on tour?
The camaraderie. Traveling to new places and winning over new fans. It's the best, really.
Worst part about being on tour?
The car starts to smell bad after a while. Having to deal with asking off work and losing money. Worrying about pets. All that jazz.
What are ya'll doing to think outside of the box when it comes to attracting new fans?
Heypenny is crazy when it comes to thinking outside of the box. We're constantly brainstorming on ideas to either make a show super special, or earn the appreciation of new fans. We released our EP in the form of a coloring book, we had a huge release show where we brought in a ton of amazing local artists to paint giant 8 foot versions of the pages from the coloring book while all of our favorite bands played. We're gearing up for a coloring contest where we'll have people send in their best pictures from the coloring book, we'll post them and the winner will receive a pair of custom illustrated Toms--Heypenny style. We've also been really into making videos now. We just got a great response from our NBN Tutorial video
which was teaching vocal parts to audience members for our upcoming set. We, of course, have something special planned. Here's a good example of what we do and how much work goes into our shows:
Man, you'll just have to watch the videos! We pour everything into our live shows. Costumes, TV's playing abstract videos that sync up to the changes in the songs, we've had a marching band drumline play with us. You name it, we'll probably do it at some point.
What's the biggest challenge you face as a band?
Time management. Coordinating schedules and figuring out time to do all the fun projects we want to do. That seems to be the most difficult thing, but we always make it work.
With the major labels struggling, do you feel it's more important for a band to focus on getting signed or focus on getting a significant buzz within a given group of people?
I think you just need to go out and play, do your thing and if you do it right, people will notice. Whether or not you are in the position, or even need a major label, things tend to fall into place. Furthermore, the days of just getting signed on a whim are long over. Labels can't afford to do developmental deals. They want all that ground work done ahead of time, so they don't have to pour as much money into you and can tap into what you already have.
Future plans?
Well, we just released our EP. We're getting ready to go back into the studio to re-track a few drum parts and then we're hoping to release our full length next year. We've got two videos that we're going to be working on. One for the single, "Ticket" and then another which will end up being more of a short film for the second single, "Star for All the Kidz."
How much does chance play a part in the success of your band and how much of the success comes from sheer blood, sweat, and tears?
That's a tough question, because we definitely put in tons of the latter, but chance definitely plays into it as well. It's such a small circle, really and it often comes down to who you know. I think it's a bit of both.
If you had a fifteen year old sitting in front of you and could tell him/her anything about the music business, being in a band, or drumming, what would it be?
Keep doing it. If you want it bad enough, you'll figure out a way to make it happen. You're going to work awful jobs, you'll watch your friends from high school and college become successful and make lots of money and chances are you'll be working a restaurant job, but you also get to go out and play music and hopefully win the hearts, ears and minds of others. Oh... and learn to play to a click!
It's time for Nashville's annual indie music fest...Next Big Nashville. Lots of bands, lots of clubs, lots of rock, lots of tunes.
NBN is very similar to SXSW...music business and industry forums during the day with showcases starting in the late afternoon and running until the wee hours. I'm involved with NBN this year (my band will be playing) and so I thought that there would be no better opportunity to have some great interviews than now.
I've got some great drummers lined up. The drummers are in bands that run the gammet...startups, established indie bands, hired guns, indie label types, and major label types. I'm wanting to portray what it's like to be in a band or to be a hired gun at this point in time in the music business (especially the indie music business). I feel that far too often being in a band is glamorized and some people have the wrong impression. It takes hard work, practice, hard work, sweat, hard work...oh, and did I mention hard work?...along with some luck and good breaks.
Here's a promo video to give you an idea of what NBN is...
